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075 Bill Cushard joins TheySaid debate, “Is NPS a vanity metric?”
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075 Bill Cushard joins TheySaid debate, “Is NPS a vanity metric?”

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On November 8, 2023, I participated in a debate on Linkedin Live, hosted by Lihong Hicken, the founder and CEO of TheySaid, which is a software company that helps customers discover risks to customer churn by asking the right question to the right person at the right time. TheySaid leverages a concept called customer perceived value (CPV), which gets to the bottom of what each stakeholder of a customer organization perceives as value. 

The topic of the debate was “Is NPS a vanity Metric?” What Lihong did was assemble two teams of go-to-market leaders to take either side of the question and make the case for why NPS is or is not a vanity metric. 

This is a full recording of that debate. 

I want to share with you why I am posting this recording on the Rebel Intrapreneur podcast.

It’s not really about the debate or about NPS or whether NPS is or is not a vanity metric. 

The idea I want you to take away from this debate, as a rebel intrapreneur, is the systems thinking aspect of this debate. 

As a rebel intrapreneur, you will implement new things in organizations where you work. And you know as much as anyone that implementing new things is hard, no matter how smart or prepared you OR your organization is. What makes things even more difficult is implementing something:

  1. Without a clear purpose, reason, goal, or very strong WHY. 

  2. When you question the very system or process you are implementing, change it, skip steps entirely. When you do this, you are no longer implementing the system, but something else entirely. No wonder it didn’t work. 

As you listen to this debate, you will hear things like; NPS does or does not affect revenue growth, retention, engagement, or custom satisfaction. NPS does not prompt companies to make strategic changes to improve the overall business. 

Is NPS designed to address all of that? Are we drifting from the original purpose of that system? 

I think so.

Rebel Intrapreneurs have an important skill: keeping teams on track and focused on the mission. Rebel intrapreneurs are like a meditation coach, helping people bring back their focus when they drift. And everyone drifts. 

So for me, the big lesson of this debate was not whether NPS is a vanity metric or not. The big lesson for me was, are companies using NPS as designed or are they drifting, and then complaining it doesn’t work, “for them.” 

This is not about NPS. You can take NPS and replace it with anything and ask the same question. That is how a rebel intrapreneur should operate. It is certainly how I try to operate in my work, which I don’t always live up to. But I strive. 

I hope you listen to the full debate and ask yourself, “How can I keep my teams on track with the purpose of “X system” that we are implementing in our organization?” 

About the event: 

Link to event on Linkedin.

Lihong Hicken’s company, TheySaid

Lihong Hicken On Linkedin.

Debate participants:

Bill Cushard

Adam Mullen

Colby Bock

Dave Jackson

Greg Daines

Manil Vasantha

Rebel Intrapreneur Bill Cushard TheySaid NPS Customer Perceived Value CPV

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More about Bill:

Bill Cushard on Linkedin

Bill Cushard on Twitter

Rebel Intrapreneur podcast website

Bill’s book: The Art of Agile Marketing: A Practical Roadmap for Implementing Kanban and Scrum in Jira and Confluence 

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Rebel Intrapreneur is a podcast about a new category of high performing employee. Rebel intrapreneurs further the mission of an organization while simultaneous challenging the system from within. Founders and entrepreneurs are thirsty to find people who believe in their mission as much as they do, and pursue that mission relentlessly. Rebel Intrapreneur is hosted by Bill Cushard, who has reported directly to founder/CEOs four times in his career, which makes him an ideal guide on your intrapreneurial journey.